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--Matyapiro31 14:53, 9 July 2012 (CEST)
--Matyapiro31 14:53, 9 July 2012 (CEST)
[+]How about release your source codes on Google Drive?
:[+]How about release your source codes on Google Drive?
If you want to,everyone can edit it,see on web.
If you want to,everyone can edit it,see on web.
I think it is very good service.--Matyapiro31 14:53, 9 July 2012 (CEST)
I think it is very good service.--Matyapiro31 14:53, 9 July 2012 (CEST)
::Hi Matyapiro31, thank you for you efforts, the source code is maintained by a version control system, this way i can revert to older versions if necessary, Google Drive can't do it. The source is free to download using checkout or browsing (on the site), You don't need to send feedback because the google code site offers "Issues" you can open and I will respond. --[[User:Elisherer|Elisherer]] 08:01, 10 July 2012 (CEST)

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Now I figured that I didn't explain the target of this app... It's suppose to be an Explorer like program to see inside the different filesystems that the 3ds has. Now it's the ExeFS, RomFS and SAVE. As knownledge keep flowing i'll continue to develop the application. With the goal of making a full functional drag&drop file explorer for image files. --Elisherer 18:35, 15 September 2011 (CEST)

It fails showing the tmd file content. Have you finshed working on this feature?--Lazymarek9614 15:49, 20 September 2011 (CEST)

No, I don't have time to work on it..it's not interesting enough --Elisherer 15:36, 21 September 2011 (CEST)
Yeah, the 3DS doesn't care when the tmd file was modified... it's not useful for hacking.--Lazymarek9614 21:09, 21 September 2011 (CEST)

I downloaded the sources,but I can't find Save.cs and reference "System.Development". Matyapiro31

You are right... I fixed it.. notice that the source is not the released version it has some experimental stuff in it... --Elisherer 10:53, 30 September 2011 (CEST)

Do you know Mono Develop? You can release it as multi-patform,such as Linux,Machitosh,etc.

I did not know that until now. But I don't have time to make the transition. I'm happy with VS2008 and it's relatively easy to make changes and new features for the app. The source is open and you can make a linux port if you want. --Elisherer 18:16, 30 September 2011 (CEST)
You need no change.mono can run c# program like Java VM. Matyapiro31
I tried to compile it,but That was old one,and there is "System.development."
This says that I need to fix stuff after I convert my project. and then work with the mono app which I don't find very convinient... and about the reference I don't know what it's about..I don't know a namespace called System.Development --Elisherer 17:42, 2 October 2011 (CEST) (P.s you can sign your messages with the quick signature button or 4 tildes: '~' 4 times)

lblBrew_Click() had no exception handler,

you have to change this method in fmExplorer.cs to

   private void lblBrew_Click(object sender, EventArgs e)
           catch (Exception ex)
               MessageBox.Show("Cannot open link that was clicled.\n"+ ex.Message);


The algorithm for the Image Hash might be either MD2 or MD4. I found out by using HxD and Notepad. --Kiddyshaq34

Ok, but of what? (i know it's suppose to be 128 bit) And why not MD-5? --Elisherer 07:10, 9 October 2011 (CEST)
Because MD5 is longer and the Image Hash has the same number of bytes as MD2 and MD4.
MD2, 4 & 5 are all 128bit which is 0x10 bytes... --Elisherer 20:28, 9 October 2011 (CEST)
Oh, I've forgotten about MD5. You are right.

3DS include RSA Securuty 's BSafe

from 3DS manual. Matyapiro31

Thanks Matyapiro31 but I think RSA is used for encryption and *not* hashing. So the RSA might be used for ROMs and WiFi... --Elisherer 14:48, 9 October 2011 (CEST)

あほ。RSA BSafe support all security method.See this.

I cannot find English version,sorry. Matyapiro31

I guess if you mean this then the digest algorithms are the ones that we know of..we havn't tried HMAC yet or CNG but from experience we see that nintendo uses regular digest algorithms like CRC16-Modbus and SHA-256. I'll add the HMAC ones to the brute force hash tool to see if it finds something... --Elisherer 22:36, 12 October 2011 (CEST)

I've tried to decrypt 'Super Mario 3D Land' but your tool shows me an 'Corrupt Save File' error.--Lazymarek9614 18:36, 18 November 2011 (CET)

Corrupted save file might be from 2 reasons: * Size is not right (128K or 512k) * CRC on wearleveling wrong. Both problems occur from NDS adapter plus malfunctioning...try blowing on the cart and the adapter and download the savefile again... --Elisherer 20:16, 18 November 2011 (CET)
I actually don't use the useless NDS Adapter Plus, but I used DSM and I've tried it two times (always the same data).. I hope Nintendo doesn't use a new encryption now! Shall I send you the sav file?--Lazymarek9614 20:27, 18 November 2011 (CET)
Yes please, I could check it within the application... --Elisherer 20:35, 18 November 2011 (CET)
Have you found anything?--Lazymarek9614 21:25, 18 November 2011 (CET)
No..it's seems that the key found isn't the right key (even that it appears 4 times in the file). we need to figure out how to decrypt the save files without searching blindly for the key. --Elisherer 21:33, 18 November 2011 (CET)
I got an idea. Xor the image's 0x100-0x103 with every (0x200 block)'s 0x100-0x103 to see if it produces 'DISA' ..it should work with the already known files and might be faster to find. i'll try it tomorrow.. --Elisherer 21:40, 18 November 2011 (CET)
Mind linking to a SM3DL save here so I could look at it?(Btw, you're not looking for a "key", you're looking for an AES-CTR xorpad.) --Yellows8 06:03, 22 November 2011 (CET)
I'll ask for permission. In the meanwhile, can we talk about it at n-dev.net? I made a thread there. --Elisherer 16:26, 22 November 2011 (CET)
Yes, you can share them!--Lazymarek9614 17:24, 22 November 2011 (CET)
Catch the files on my server http://www.sherer.co.il/saves (Super Mario 3D Land).--Elisherer 17:43, 22 November 2011 (CET)
I'm stumped too. Since some chunks of data appears several times in these saves, in theory the CTR should still be repeating.(CTR seems to repeat >0x200 bytes now, not sure.) Didn't really manage to decrypt much via xor. --Yellows8 22:08, 22 November 2011 (CET)
I would guess they finally fixed the bug that limited the xor stream to just 0x200 bytes repeating, and now it behaves more like the data saved to SD cards? --Neimod 01:30, 25 November 2011 (CET)
But you can see that same blocks share the same xorpad in the file...the DISA header is in the file 4 times and encrypted the same all the 4 times.. so the key may not repeat but maybe every block has it's own xorpad based on its offset in the image (my speculation) --Elisherer 09:02, 25 November 2011 (CET)

*FS#.bin decrypt

Maybe I found the key: I think it's the unknown value at Rom. It's 16 characters long. When I use it, it doesn't give a error or something. --Gericom 16:06, 12 December 2011 (CET)

Extracting Data Files?

Hello! I'm SuperMario64DS, I hack Mario Kart Wii & The Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2 ( Co-creator of the BDL Editor!). Okay, so I was wondering about extracting files from a 3DS ROM; can the program do that? I think I heard some where that it can decrypt 3DS ROMS and veiw their filesystem, is this true? And if not, will his feature be added? And if so, will an option to extract files from a ROM be added? I've been looking into studying Mario Kart 7's formats, and to see how to game works. --SuperMario64DS, 04:43, 20 December 2011 (CET)

As soon as you get the 3ds common key we could decrpyt the romfs & exefs from the CXIs and then learn the file system... We could however have your help in understanding the CGFX format which has 3d models in it. --Elisherer 07:22, 20 December 2011 (CET)
Well how faraway would you say we are from decrypting 3DS ROMs? I'd REALLY like to see inside of Mario Kart 7, I know it uses Yaz0, so it can be de-coded. 1: How might we find the decryption key? And 2: How much more longer do you think it will be until we can extract a 3DS ROM's file system? It would be really helpful. -- SuperMario64DS, 16:34, 20 December 2011 (CET)
We are VERY far. (but then again it could happen any day). Nintendo was smart enough to use AES-CTR which is a very strong encryption which can't be cracked even if you have encrypted and decrypted data (and even the initialization vector) you basicly need the key and it's far inside the 3ds (maybe even coded in hardware and not just inside the 3ds flash). So unless we were told what the key is I don't see us getting anywhere. For now, we do what we can. --Elisherer 18:29, 20 December 2011 (CET)
So, we just need that key? How might we look into the 3DS's Film Ware? Or couldn't you just observe the "Lock" (The 3DS ROM) And find the shape of the "Key"? (Encryption Key). Then if we took the "Lock" apart, we could re-build a replica of the "Key" and un-lock the File System. -- SuperMario64DS, 19:59, 20 December 2011 (CET)
We know the "shape" of the key, it's 16 bytes long, combined with an IV you can decypher anything. Please read the rest of the pages on 3dbrew before posting more questions. And you might want to look at GBAtemp.net for more information. --Elisherer 22:01, 20 December 2011 (CET)
You completely missed my point there (A good point too), but since you want me to stop asking questions I will stop. --SuperMario64DS, 05:40, 21 December 2011 (CET)
Please don't stop asking questions. Asking questions leads us to finding things... just ask them in the right place, like GBAtemp or the irc channel. The title of this discussion is "Extracting data files" and clearly it can't happen for now so this talk is useless. --Elisherer 09:30, 21 December 2011 (CET)


I would love to get the models from ace combat assault horizon legacy but I know its a long long way off. but if you are looking to decrypt the files you might want to try xentax. they have a whole decompression section and since you have a tool you have some "street credit"

I rekon you're talking about the website, I looked it up but it doesn't have any information about decryption.. only game file editors.. They do have a program called MultiEx editor (for blizzard files) that seems similiar to 3dsexplorer... --Elisherer 07:28, 29 January 2012 (CET)
I only mean the other users might be of help on the forum anyway i look and see if anyone else is doing the same kind of work as you and send them your way


Elisherer, Do you know function "__makeref()" is not defined in CSharp Language Standard? in /3DSExplorer/Utils/MarshalUtil.cs you really often use it .--Matyapiro31 17:08, 10 February 2012 (CET)

Yes, it's a macro which is deprecated, the new way is too difficult for the purpose of the function using it, so i left it as is (it still works) --Elisherer 13:09, 10 February 2012 (CET)

But for System.Deployment and __makeref() are not defined in gtksharp,so I cannot compile 3DSExplorer.

Other member belonging to 3DBrew,I know a few of C#,therefore I hope some of you achieve compiling through MonoDevelop.

But even now 3DSExplorer crashes if you use Mono Runtime.

You can use Moma to scan 3DSExplorer for Mono compatibility--Jocopoco 17:14, 10 February 2012 (CET)

Elisherer can you make the entries in the TMD sections editable for cia files?--3dsguy 13:04, 28 March 2012 (CEST)

Probably, but I want to make an all-around solution for editing because it is needed by other formats too. I might need to add a struct to each line on the list which will include data-type and editable boolean... it might take some time... --Elisherer 08:09, 29 March 2012 (CEST)

Elisherer there is a bug in your program, when it tries to read .cia files which do not have a 'SMDH' or banner, like in the case of TWL converted applications and some old .CIA files, 3DS Explorer crashes. It is possible to read these kind of .CIA file in 3DSExplorer by entering a false banner size, so I know this is where the problem lies. Can you patch 3DSExplorer to read .cia files and not try to load information on banners when the banner size is '0'--3dsguy 02:25, 18 May 2012 (CEST)

I don't really understand the problem...if you look at mdlCIA.cs file you'll see that i'm checking if the bannerLength > 0 so I wouldn't know what to change here.. --Elisherer 10:45, 18 May 2012 (CEST)
Edit the sample .CIA on the .CIA wiki page and make the banner size zero, then try to open it 3DSExplorer. On my computer this causes 3DSExplorer to crash--3dsguy 12:50, 18 May 2012 (CEST)
Sorry correction, it crashes when you try to open a .cia file(that has no banner size) when it is associated to be run with 3DSExplorer. But if you try to load a .cia file(that has no banner size) from the open file tab of 3DSExplorer, it tells me that an unhandled exception has occured, "Object reference not set to an instance of an object." --3dsguy 16:57, 18 May 2012 (CEST)
OK, I found the bug that you were talking about... If the banner's size is zero I try to put the icons in the file view anyway and that's wrong..I'll try to fix the association bug and release a new version. --Elisherer 10:22, 19 May 2012 (CEST)

Found some more bugs. 3DSExplorer crashes when it tries to open .BNR files and .BCWAV files. For example try the sample .BCWAV and .BNR file in the 0.2 CiTRus release.--3dsguy 12:32, 22 May 2012 (CEST)

I made it be able to send e-mail,but I don't have SMAP server and knowledge about web application. Here.[1]

--Matyapiro31 14:53, 9 July 2012 (CEST)

[+]How about release your source codes on Google Drive?

If you want to,everyone can edit it,see on web. I think it is very good service.--Matyapiro31 14:53, 9 July 2012 (CEST)

Hi Matyapiro31, thank you for you efforts, the source code is maintained by a version control system, this way i can revert to older versions if necessary, Google Drive can't do it. The source is free to download using checkout or browsing (on the site), You don't need to send feedback because the google code site offers "Issues" you can open and I will respond. --Elisherer 08:01, 10 July 2012 (CEST)