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'''EDIT: As promised, http://n-dev.net/showthread.php?tid=15 is where you'll find my update.'''
Hi.
Hi.
[[User:Lazymarek9614|Lazymarek9614]] unfortunately not all of them. The best I could get you guys would be CFA, NSA, RSF, AXF, BCWAV, and DESC files but not the few I've found in the lib. btw RSF and DESC are both in plain text. I could also make you guys some custom CXI's to see but I'm not sure how useful they would be to anyone. Lib references Common Header Keys also. I have successfully generated my own CXI file (Hello World), can I upload it here? It had to be made with a nintendo linker but I made the file so does it count as "copyrighted" by nintendo? they didn't approve of this work so I don't think so but I'd rather be safe than sorry.--[[User:Xcution|Xcution]]
[[User:Lazymarek9614|Lazymarek9614]] unfortunately not all of them. The best I could get you guys would be CFA, NSA, RSF, AXF, BCWAV, and DESC files but not the few I've found in the lib. btw RSF and DESC are both in plain text. I could also make you guys some custom CXI's to see but I'm not sure how useful they would be to anyone. Lib references Common Header Keys also. I have successfully generated my own CXI file (Hello World), can I upload it here? It had to be made with a nintendo linker but I made the file so does it count as "copyrighted" by nintendo? they didn't approve of this work so I don't think so but I'd rather be safe than sorry.--[[User:Xcution|Xcution]]
I'm not sure about the copyright... Can you upload the other formats first (if you are allowed to) and wait until you're sure about the copyright stuff. Are the common header keys for 3ds test units only or for the public normal 3ds? I think not all formats are useful for us, but the CXI is.--[[User:Lazymarek9614|Lazymarek9614]] 12:06, 27 November 2011 (CET)
Ah. I'll see about those. The Common Header Keys are likely for both retail and dev 3ds because lib allows building for both retail and dev files using the same keys, however I don't know if they are dummy keys like the RSA are. I'll try to get the format BCWAV (3DS Audio Wave files) soon.--[[User:Xcution|Xcution]]
OK, so please look for the keys you can get & publish legal and upload some files.--[[User:Lazymarek9614|Lazymarek9614]] 16:18, 27 November 2011 (CET)
:I wouldn't recommend uploading anything to 3dbrew because it *might* be illegal. I recommend using the PM in gbatemp to ask. There are only few people here that would benefit from looking at these files (and by saying 'these' i don't mean any specific files). --[[User:Elisherer|Elisherer]] 17:03, 27 November 2011 (CET)
::Yes, it has to be legal! [[User:Xcution|Xcution]], maybe if you want to send me 'these' files, click on my username to see the e-mail contact and don't upload anything illegal on 3dbrew.--[[User:Lazymarek9614|Lazymarek9614]] 18:57, 27 November 2011 (CET)
Can you send me also, please? --[[User:Jocopoco|Jocopoco]] 19:33, 27 November 2011 (CET)
:::Just because Nintendo SDKs can build software for retail doesn't mean they include the retail AES key(s). When devs send binaries for RSA signing Nintendo takes care of encrypting the binaries with the retail keys as well.(AFAIK they have *never* included retail keys in their SDKs) --[[User:Yellows8|Yellows8]] 03:31, 28 November 2011 (CET)
:::: ^ This is true but DSi/Twl development builds actually do run on retail systems. ;P --[[User:Jl12|Jl12]]
:::: Also, I think you mean "release" builds. Development builds have debugging functions enabled and aren't optimized. The SDK can build retail (release) builds that include optimization and are stripped of debugging information and some internal debug flags. This is to get ready for retail ROM mastering. It doesn't mean it uses retail encryption or signing methods. (It doesn't.) --[[User:Jl12|Jl12]]
:::::"DSi/Twl development builds actually do run on retail systems" After those builds are sent to Nintendo for retail RSA signing and modcrypt encryption, sure. --[[User:Yellows8|Yellows8]] 04:41, 30 November 2011 (CET)
:::::: ^ No, I mean that just like it sounds. Development builds can be ran on retail units prior to being mastered by Nintendo. I've tried this. --[[User:Jl12|Jl12]]
::::::: Er, how did you run these dev builds on retail DSi? --[[User:Yellows8|Yellows8]] 04:58, 30 November 2011 (CET)
I wouldn't think they contained retail keys, Yellow8, just it contained some keys (probably dummy keys) called Common Header Keys and they seemed interesting for a moment imho I didn't see your post there lol I'm still considering whether or not they're legal. In a way, they are legal because I'm not technically hired by Nintendo so the CXIs, CIAs, etc I make are not copyrighted by them like retail or licensed developers, but in another way it's not legal because I am using part of the lib to make the files. Gah!--[[User:Xcution|Xcution]]
:It's not necessary to document *all* the formats their toolchain uses that are *never* used on retail at all IMO.(like those temporary files used during CXI building) --[[User:Yellows8|Yellows8]] 03:31, 28 November 2011 (CET)
Ok, after some thought and looking around here I shouldn't have a problem posting non-commercial (and not copyrighted for developers, ie DevMen or Config) CIAs because user Jl12 has done this without having a problem with copyrights. CFA is essentially a bundle of CIAs so I shouldn't have a copyright issue there as long as the CIAs inside are not commercial and not developer copyrighted (ie I can't post commercial or DevMen/Config/etc), however according to Jl12's upload of his custom CIA it is OK to upload custom CIAs, and in essence CFAs. I'm looking into the legality of other formats, though.--[[User:Xcution|Xcution]]
* Please only post what you've written/compiled yourself, no files from the SDK(s) or that has been mastered by N. ( such as roms, etc. ). --[[User:Jl12|Jl12]]
Today I'll start documenting a little bit of what I find. Currently I'm still learning so this'll probably be amended a lot.
'''CSU : (CTR System Updater)'''
NCSD block starts @ offset 0x00000100
NCCH block starts @ offset 0x00001100
CSU Program ID / Title ID @ offset 0x00001150
NCCH block starts @ offset 0x00004100
CSU Program ID / Title ID @ offset 0x00004150
CSU have Program IDs similar to CIA...(either a name or CTR-X-XXXX)
:Seems just like [[CCI]], maybe CCI isn't really a format, rather then a use for that "multiple CIAs" format. --[[User:Elisherer|Elisherer]] 22:17, 27 November 2011 (CET)
Hi Elisherer, is not exact format as [[CCI]] actually. Just I show the most plain objects. CSU does '''not''' have SDK informations shown (example : [SDK+NINTENDO:CTR_SDK-0_14_23_200_none]) like CCI has, or CSU has not this in plain text like CCI has.. --[[User:Xcution|Xcution]]
* Note, you can't decrypt .CSU with the same development keys a CCI/CIA can be decrypted with, not sure if that's because it has a different set of keys or because of a difference of format though. I admit I haven't dug deeply. CCI/CSU do appear very similar and both need to be burned to a blank cartridge to be ran. --[[User:Jl12|Jl12]]
'''CTR Fun Facts :'''
Before release, CTR was in development back in 2009 under the codename "Horizon". Unfortunately lib doesn't give what "CTR" stands for =p--[[User:Xcution|Xcution]]
* Sup Xcution. this is gshock, though you probably could guess that from the userid. \o/
* Maybe you guys can consider taking this conversation to n-dev.net lol --[[User:Jl12|Jl12]]